Game of Thrones Spoiler Discussion

[Witchking of Angmar]

6 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

I agree. I’m just talking hypotheticals here. If Dany thinks Bran is lying, she could still push her claim without being a hypocrite. 

I don't think she would believe Bran is lying. Without Jon pressing the claim there would be little reason to believe Bran is lying since there would be nothing to gain from it. Which I think will be interesting to see since this struggle would be more internal for her than anything political. 

[The Good Doctor]

5 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Don't think so. I highly doubt Jon would press his claim. If anything I bet that Dany will just get restless for there being people that think her illegitimate. Like a gnawing and irritating thought that lingers in the back of her mind. But after Cersei is dealt with there's no one that would really challenge her. 

This is what I think too. Jon has already established that he doesn’t give a damn about ruling. He just wants to stop the White Walkers. 

[The Good Doctor]

13 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

I don't think she would believe Bran is lying. Without Jon pressing the claim there would be little reason to believe Bran is lying since there would be nothing to gain from it. Which I think will be interesting to see since this struggle would be more internal for her than anything political. 

That entire conversation was predicated on the hypothetical scenario Sam created in the episode. If Jon pushed his claim without wanting a marriage, what would Dany do?

[ColonelKillaBee]

8 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Don't think so. I highly doubt Jon would press his claim. If anything I bet that Dany will just get restless for there being people that think her illegitimate. Like a gnawing and irritating thought that lingers in the back of her mind. But after Cersei is dealt with there's no one that would really challenge her. 

I think he will if/when she doesn’t turn out to be what he expected as queen/if the realms resist and she goes overboard with the bending of the knee stuff

Especially if the north gives her issues which I feel like they will without Jon as king.

Jon May love her but I think without marriage these two will be at odds just by circumstance.

[Witchking of Angmar]

Just now, The Good Doctor said:

That entire conversation was predicated on the hypothetical scenario Sam created in the episode. If Jon pushed his claim without wanting a marriage. 

Which would never happen. At most I can see Jon testing Dany by trying a bait and switch by pressing his claim temporarily. But that would only happen if they decide to hand Jon the idiot ball to create more unnecessary conflict. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

That entire conversation was predicated on the hypothetical scenario Sam created in the episode. If Jon pushed his claim without wanting a marriage. 

Plus this, but even so I think eventually he’ll be tempted to. Like Celan said they love making conflict where there probably shouldn’t be lol. Not that we’ll likely see that far but if we did I’m certain this would be a conflict if there is no marriage.

You don’t reveal something like that without it causing some conflict.

[ColonelKillaBee]

2 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Which would never happen. At most I can see Jon testing Dany by trying a bait and switch by pressing his claim temporarily. But that would only happen if they decide to hand Jon the idiot ball to create more unnecessary conflict. 

They did it before 

*cough* Sansa

[Witchking of Angmar]

Just now, ColonelKillaBee said:

They did it before 

*cough* Sansa

I know. Which is why I'm worried they're gonna pull that shit again. I keep expecting them to pull bullshit cliches and hand out idiot balls left and right at this point. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

2 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

I know. Which is why I'm worried they're gonna pull that shit again. I keep expecting them to pull bullshit cliches and hand out idiot balls left and right at this point. 

Tru that

[The Good Doctor]

9 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Which would never happen. 

Maybe. But Sam doesn’t know that, and the point of the conversation is more about how Dany would react than what Jon would choose to do. 

[Witchking of Angmar]

1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said:

Maybe. But Sam doesn’t know that, and the point of the conversation is more about how Dany would react than what Jon would choose to do. 

If I'm to guess what would be a realistic reaction: First she'd go into denial because it would throw an important part of her worldview and identity out the window. Without Jon pressing the claim and probably even trying his best to keep it a secret her only real opponent will be herself as she struggles with adapting to the new fact. Eventually she will either try to drop it and accept that she doesn't need direct legitimacy of birth or start pressing Jon into marriage to satiate her need for legitimacy. 

[Celan]

A secret annulment and marriage and a secret heir isn't much of a claim, versus a real heir of Aerys and Robert who also has dragons. 

My point about Sam is that he should know about the Dance and know this is not a fight they can afford to have. He's got the idiot ball currently. 

[The Good Doctor]

Just now, Celan said:

A secret annulment and marriage and a secret heir isn't much of a claim, 

It is a lot stronger when you’ve got a magical tree cripple who is provably capable of seeing any event in the past.

[Witchking of Angmar]

1 minute ago, Celan said:

A secret annulment and marriage and a secret heir isn't much of a claim, versus a real heir of Aerys and Robert who also has dragons. 

My point about Sam is that he should know about the Dance and know this is not a fight they can afford to have. He's got the idiot ball currently. 

I'll withhold my judgement if Sam got the idiot ball. Sam was initially against telling Jon as it perhaps wasn't the best time but Bran insisted that Jon has a right to know. It'll really depend on if Sam urges Jon to press his claim or just told Jon because he thinks he should know the truth. 

[The Good Doctor]

1 hour ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Bran insisted that Jon has a right to know.

I’m curious if Bran really just felt like Jon deserved to know, or if he has used his time wizard powers to determine that it’s actially important for Jon to know.

Considering the level Bran operates on, Jon being the rightful king or not seems like a really weird thing for him to be so focused on.

[Witchking of Angmar]

20 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

I’m curious if Bran really just felt like Jon deserved to know, or if he has used his time wizard powers to determine that it’s actially important for Jon to know.

Considering the level Bran operates on, Jon being the rightful king or not seems like a really weird thing for him to be so focused on.

Possibly. Though it would be nice if the writers have decided that Bran is still on some level human and... well... Bran Stark. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

13 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

Possibly. Though it would be nice if the writers have decided that Bran is still on some level human and... well... Bran Stark. 

You saw that stare down with Jamie right?  I think he’s still there 

[Celan]

I think Jon has to know because his bloodline is important for defeating the White Walkers. Not clear how, yet.

[The Good Doctor]

3 minutes ago, Celan said:

I think Jon has to know because his bloodline is important for defeating the White Walkers. Not clear how, yet.

That’s what I think too. Ice and Fire and all that. 

[The Good Doctor]

12 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

You saw that stare down with Jamie right?  I think he’s still there 

That snarky little shit even called him an “old friend”.  Jaime’s got a special place in his heart. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

The last time I saw Jamie this shook was when he saw Daenerys’ dragon for the first time.

[Witchking of Angmar]

Silly things from the internet. If you don't want to watch the entire thing I at least recommend watching the part that starts at 3:26.

 

[Celan]

3 hours ago, The Good Doctor said:

That’s what I think too. Ice and Fire and all that. 

The symbol the White Walkers are using is a Children of the Forest symbol- it makes me wonder if they're inverting it, like an upside down cross, or whether they're using it straight because they were once allied with the Children and still consider themselves doing something right and good. Like maybe the ritual we saw where the Night King was created, that was a Stark and he wasn't an unwilling participant, because they were trying to avert something even darker.

Melisandre warns Davos not to speak about the Shadow lest he wake those powers. She seems much more frightened of them than of the Ice. What if the Night King is trying to conquer Westeros just like everyone else is trying to conquer them- because he thinks he has to save the world?

[ColonelKillaBee]

People saying black people don’t watch GoT, completely debunked lol I just had a convo about it, and they were talking about the books too.

Until we just started talking about how thuggish Euron Greyjoy is when he just presented straight facts to Cersei and clapped her cheeks finally

And Jon And Danny of course

[ColonelKillaBee]

15 minutes ago, Celan said:

The symbol the White Walkers are using is a Children of the Forest symbol- it makes me wonder if they're inverting it, like an upside down cross, or whether they're using it straight because they were once allied with the Children and still consider themselves doing something right and good. Like maybe the ritual we saw where the Night King was created, that was a Stark and he wasn't an unwilling participant, because they were trying to avert something even darker.

Melisandre warns Davos not to speak about the Shadow lest he wake those powers. She seems much more frightened of them than of the Ice. What if the Night King is trying to conquer Westeros just like everyone else is trying to conquer them- because he thinks he has to save the world?

Ok but what could be worse than being turned into zombies?