Roleplayer's Off Topic Thread #24

[Witchking of Angmar]

5 minutes ago, Celan said:

Marxism is based on the idea of a dialectic. Society advances itself through conflict. Pure Marxism saw this only as a class-based struggle, the proletariat vs. the capitalists. Pseudo-Marxism took that idea and broadened "the struggle" to include race, sex and post-colonialism. The New Left sees societal progress as only happening through the fight against racism, sexism and western hegemony. Without that struggle, there's nothing for them to exploit, so they'll manufacture it if they have to. This is why they try to convince people who are largely healthy and well-off (in terms of human civilization as a whole) that they're suffering and oppressed. We all feel oppressed to some extent, because life is hard, so it's easy to make people feel miserable. What the radical left hasn't figured out yet is how to turn that into widespread armed conflict, but they're trying.*

edit- * And so are the various far right fascists, of the Anders Breivik variety. These idiots deserve each other.

Well it certainly sounds like it makes sense for the most extreme elements. And it gives an interesting thought to think about. Still, from what I mostly see it's mostly people aspiring for victim-hood because it feels good to be the underdog. We even have a term for it here in Sweden in a way. Offerkofta. Which literally translates to victim cardigan. So someone aspiring to victim-hood is then said to be putting on the victim cardigan. 

8 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

What does it say when a whole bunch of sides known for lying and being against each other all suddenly come together in agreement to condemn a man who gained support for calling them out?

Anyway, you don’t have to take my word for any of this. Mueller and the FBI’s terrible track records, the involved agents’ politics, the ridiculous dossier they used as a source, the collusion with the media, and all the rest of this can be found pretty easily online if you care enough to look for them. 

Hard to say just like that. Trump has both been rightfully calling out others on their bullshit, and spewed a lot of bullshit himself just to garner votes and attention. So people coming together to condemn him can be doing anything from countering his bullshit to covering up their own. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

Spewing bullshit in what way @Witchking of Angmar if you don’t mind me asking? 

[The Good Doctor]

9 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

Spewing bullshit in what way @Witchking of Angmar if you don’t mind me asking? 

Some of his pre-election 2A talk, maybe. 

[Witchking of Angmar]

Just now, ColonelKillaBee said:

Spewing bullshit in what way @Witchking of Angmar if you don’t mind me asking? 

He lies about what he has said and done before for a starter. He doesn't mind garnering attention and supporters by inciting division and animosity to the point of even outright encouraging violent action. And I think that's the biggest part of his bullshit. Other than that he's mostly lying and using his position to benefit his rich friends while saying to be fighting for the little man. Which mainly just makes him more similar to those of the establishment than he and some people claim him to be. 

[Celan]

55 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

@Celan

Are you familiar with Yuri Besmenov? He was a KGB defector who specialized in propaganda and subversion when he worked for them, so there ain’t many better sources on the subject.

He talks about this stuff at length. Very interesting for anyone who has the time. (Warning: video is an hour long, it’s a full lecture)

 

Yes I've heard of this. Our activists absorbed these tactics with gusto, e.g. Saul Alinsky and the Cloward-Piven strategy. Basically using western institutions against themselves in order to allow socialism to save us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

[ColonelKillaBee]

15 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

He lies about what he has said and done before for a starter. He doesn't mind garnering attention and supporters by inciting division and animosity to the point of even outright encouraging violent action. And I think that's the biggest part of his bullshit. Other than that he's mostly lying and using his position to benefit his rich friends while saying to be fighting for the little man. Which mainly just makes him more similar to those of the establishment than he and some people claim him to be. 

I think people are confusing boasting and blustering with lying, though yea on occasion he definitely gets caught in a lie or two, but it’s small shit usually, vs his opposition.

As for being divisive, I really only see him opposing all things liberal which doesn’t make him stand out much except that he doesn’t pull punches like other republicans.

Benefit himself and rich friends, sure but it again doesn’t make him stand out more than any other politician. And he does not encourage violent action. That would be those who support Antifa.

[The Good Doctor]

19 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

He lies about what he has said and done before for a starter. He doesn't mind garnering attention and supporters by inciting division and animosity to the point of even outright encouraging violent action. And I think that's the biggest part of his bullshit. Other than that he's mostly lying and using his position to benefit his rich friends while saying to be fighting for the little man. Which mainly just makes him more similar to those of the establishment than he and some people claim him to be. 

I’m not gonna lie, I feel like a lot of what you say about Trump just comes from sources that don’t like him throwing out the usual BS. I couldn’t name a modern President who has more aggressively pursued the policies and promises that he ran on and his base supports. You might not support those policies, but you can’t deny that the dude’s been fighting hard for his wall (and convinced Mexico to do more to secure its own borders), his DOJ has been locking up record numbers of child traffickers and attacking people at high levels in our system. He’s negotiated us into better trade deals that have helped several of our major industries, and America’s job market is doing very well under him. He’s crippled the mainstream media, which is fun. And all that’s not even getting into overseas foreign policy, which I consider to be where he’s done the best by far. 

Plenty has benefited the little man. If it benefits the rich as well? Great. Good for them. I’ll be even happier about this when I get rich and join their ranks.   

If Trump wasn’t so weak on the 2nd Amendment, I’d be quite happy with him overall. But this is an area where he weirdly gets all meek and tends to cave to his opponents’ pressure, like a totally different person. It’s weird and drives me crazy.

[ColonelKillaBee]

Trump was democrat not all that long ago so I guess that side of him from the old days remained.

But yea if anything trumps been pretty damn honest, willingly or not, in his intentions. Maybe to a fault  

[ColonelKillaBee]

It seems like every time I ask someone why they think trump is racist or lies or etc etc, they can only give me vague answers. I had a debate at work (tried to avoid it but was forced on me), and the two black women I was arguing with pretty much abandoned the question entirely (how is trump racist) when I told them to be specific.

What they said instead was “How can you hear him speak and not tell?” And after that they went on talking about the accusations of sexual misconduct with minors and the like, which had absolutely noooothing to do with racism even if they are true.

Bottom line, the media is a master of character assassination. Before he ran for president, everyone loved him. Including black people:

And black folks didn’t give a damn about illegal immigrants until the left told them to. We can’t get reparations but suddenly they want every illegal sucking up and increasing our tax revenue? Fuck out of here with that.

[The Good Doctor]

Trump was the most popular man in New York until he started talking bad about Obama on Twitter.  

Fun fact: he also saved the UFC.

 

[ColonelKillaBee]

And the WWE

 

[Witchking of Angmar]

1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

I think people are confusing boasting and blustering with lying, though yea on occasion he definitely gets caught in a lie or two, but it’s small shit usually, vs his opposition.

As for being divisive, I really only see him opposing all things liberal which doesn’t make him stand out much except that he doesn’t pull punches like other republicans.

Benefit himself and rich friends, sure but it again doesn’t make him stand out more than any other politician. And he does not encourage violent action. That would be those who support Antifa.

He lies quite a lot. He even said that when he was sworn in that it was the biggest crowd for any president and that it was sunny. Neither of which were true. And that's just the most obvious ones. 

I do remember hearing him once say that he would only accept the outcome of the election if he won and if he didn't then someone should use a gun to to perhaps make sure the other side doesn't gets its way. So he has definitely encouraged violence. 

7 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said:

I’m not gonna lie, I feel like a lot of what you say about Trump just comes from sources that don’t like him throwing out the usual BS. I couldn’t name a modern President who has more aggressively pursued the policies and promises that he ran on and his base supports. You might not support those policies, but you can’t deny that the dude’s been fighting hard for his wall (and convinced Mexico to do more to secure its own borders), his DOJ has been locking up record numbers of child traffickers and attacking people at high levels in our system. He’s negotiated us into better trade deals that have helped several of our major industries, and America’s job market is doing very well under him. He’s crippled the mainstream media, which is fun. And all that’s not even getting into overseas foreign policy, which I consider to be where he’s done the best by far. 

Plenty has benefited the little man. If it benefits the rich as well? Great. Good for them. I’ll be even happier about this when I get rich and join their ranks.   

If Trump wasn’t so weak on the 2nd Amendment, I’d be quite happy with him overall. But this is an area where he weirdly gets all meek and tends to cave to his opponents’ pressure, like a totally different person. It’s weird and drives me crazy.

Even our news has reported that your economy has taken an upturn. But they also pointed out that his actions in global trade may take years before the effects are fully felt. My problem there is mostly that his actions are rather clumsy and alienates a lot of US:s traditional allies. 

And while deregulation may have certain good effects, they can also have other costs as those regulations were most likely put there for a reason. Deregulating worker safety for example will give the company a boost in income as they save money by not having to implement safety measures, but can in the long run cost people their lives. 

At the end of the day my biggest problem with Trump is that he more of a showman than a statesman. I don't believe he's racist, but I do believe he isn't above using language that can be seen as such to garner both attention in general and supporters among actual racists. And for a guy that dislikes biased media he seems rather fond of consuming a lot of Fox News. 

[ColonelKillaBee]

6 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

He lies quite a lot. He even said that when he was sworn in that it was the biggest crowd for any president and that it was sunny. Neither of which were true. And that's just the most obvious ones. 

I do remember hearing him once say that he would only accept the outcome of the election if he won and if he didn't then someone should use a gun to to perhaps make sure the other side doesn't gets its way. So he has definitely encouraged violence. 

 

54 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

but it’s small shit usually, vs his opposition.

 lying about a crowd and the weather, I can live with  

As for that last one I need to see the specific quote.

[Witchking of Angmar]

4 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

As for that last one I need to see the specific quote.

I'll have to dig for that. I'll see about finding it tomorrow. 

[The Good Doctor]

1 minute ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

My problem there is mostly that his actions are rather clumsy and alienates a lot of US:s traditional allies.

Most of those allies haven't respected us in a long time anyway. I thoroughly enjoy seeing him go to the various summits and call them out on their hypocritical bullshit.

9 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

At the end of the day my biggest problem with Trump is that he more of a showman than a statesman

Which is why he won. Everyone hates and distrusts traditional politicians, and has since forever. Why should we look to their behavior as a model for how leaders ought to behave?

[ColonelKillaBee]

10 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said:

I'll have to dig for that. I'll see about finding it tomorrow. 

Aight. Not doubting you, just want to know the full context.

[ColonelKillaBee]

As for Fox well of course he does, they usually love him  he’s narcissistic, that’s true.

But also as shitty as Fox News is, they’re the only mainstream media that doesn’t spew the same liberal lies about him and everything else. Even at Fox’s worst, they don’t misconstrue an events happenings nearly to the degree of CNN.

And their worst sins are usually shared with the rest, like the false representation of most black citizens killed by police. CNN was no better in that regard at all.

[The Good Doctor]

10 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

As for Fox well of course he does, they usually love him  he’s narcissistic, that’s true.

Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson love him for sure. If I remember right, they liked him before he even ran. Most of the rest, I think, are much like the Republican party as a whole. They're backing him because that's where the money is right now. They were against him before he won and I think would turn on him in a heartbeat if there was an establishment alternative. Except maybe Ingraham from what I hear, but I don't watch enough to know her well.

But there's not a single Republican with the balls to try and challenge him right now. They'd get eaten alive.

[ColonelKillaBee]

Baldurs got competition

 

[ColonelKillaBee]

Bro. Nigga.

I was showing my coworkers this crazy shit:

https://anubis-course.tumblr.com/post/186829756079/bitch-baby-course-closetedguyy

And this weird dude next to me and my coworkers busts out with the “Yea man I hate that shit. My girlfriend started taking hormone surgery an-“

I abruptly cut him off and was like come again?  

And that’s when he tells me his girl decided to be a ducking man  My face dude

So I haaad to see a picture and dude busts out with the “Well her Instagram name is manly Chan which probably should’ve given me a hint...”

NO SHIT NIGGA

 

anyway here’s her instagram:

 

[ColonelKillaBee]

 

[TheCzarsHussar]

@BigBossBalrog

It finally did it. Long War 2 had a mission I couldn't beat but all things considered survived it very well with no casualties for my squad.

Went like this. The alien regime discovered and did an all out attack on a resistance haven in Ireland. I freak out and abort a mission with my best squad so I can save my loyal and most useless rebels. Deploy my badass squad at full strength of eight (my sniper was sadly wounded prior) plus one decent sniper from another squad.

My objectives were to keep the extraction point secured and rescue the survivors. Simple enough right? Seemed that way at first. Within the span of eleven turns things went to absolute hell. First two or three turns was spent mopping up ADVENT forces as they landed around me. Then they started fucking teleporting scary ass aliens around the map. My stomach dropped seeing chryssalids and beserkers for the first time in Long War 2. I put all my effort into wiping these out in the first turn they spawned, because I knew the two (one) shot potential they have.

Eventually I had like four chryssalids, four ADVENT shitfucks, another beserker and a MEC right on my ads in all directions. So I could either risk my luck and maybe only lose like four or five of my best soldiers and maaaayyybe survive that attack or retreat my entire unit in one turn.

In the end only my SPARK and "main character" were lightly wounded.

Edited August 7, 2019 by TheCzarsHussar

[TheCzarsHussar]

Also.

 

[Centurion]

1. Theirs no correlation between religion and mass shootings. Religion is stupid anyway

2. Russia and anyone else can catch these hands

3. Trump exaggerates and lies on occasion but when has that ever been different in politics. Literally can’t think of a time ever that politicians could be trusted at face value

4. Media always skews stories. Do your own research. Don’t be a sheep.

5. I won’t follow an order to disarm Americans.

6. If disarming ever becomes a thing, alphabet boi’s gonna be real sad when they get to my block and all the power cuts except a generator hooked to a loud speaker blaring Welcome to the Jungle

[Witchking of Angmar]

10 hours ago, The Good Doctor said:

Most of those allies haven't respected us in a long time anyway. I thoroughly enjoy seeing him go to the various summits and call them out on their hypocritical bullshit.

I don't know where you got that people were disrespecting you before. But I can say for certain that whatever sniggers you've gotten before is nothing compared to what you're getting now with Trump as president. Most rest of the world view him as a clown. 

10 hours ago, The Good Doctor said:

Which is why he won. Everyone hates and distrusts traditional politicians, and has since forever. Why should we look to their behavior as a model for how leaders ought to behave?

What I'm saying he should know what how to run a government. Otherwise it's gonna be really hard to any enact change if you don't know how. He can't even pick and/or keep his staff and ministers given how they continuously have to leave and be replaced. 

10 hours ago, ColonelKillaBee said:

Aight. Not doubting you, just want to know the full context.

Alright, these were the most raw videos I could find regarding the issue. First one is somewhat short though but it looks and sounds like a self contained closing statement. 

Second one is about the 2nd amendment. Which I know is a touchy subject but with the amount of guns in the US any kind of ban on guns is simply impossible. Trump exaggerating that is normal for politics though when he does suggest that some gun owner can fix it he is encouraging to an act of violence. While not blatant, I think we all know that the human language is capable to be subtle enough to convey messages that are not blatantly put forth.