Witchking of Angmar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: I thought it was illegal to be racist in Sweden I wish I could come up with a retort without getting political. Power corrupts, absolute power... is a whole lot of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: ODST has the best OST This I agree with for the most part. Three of their tracks are some of my favs for sure but I think reach for instance had more consistent bangers. The whole thing is awesome tho. 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Witchking of Angmar said: I wish I could come up with a retort without getting political. Insulting our primary export is already political 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Witchking of Angmar said: I wish I could come up with a retort without getting political. “Tell that to Trudeau’s choice of makeup.” still political but fuck it lol "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I want to shake the hand of the guy who said they needed to add Jazz and rain effects to ODST's music tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchking of Angmar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, BigBossBalrog said: Insulting our primary export is already political Come on. No one here ever gets upset about you folk joking about IKEA. Power corrupts, absolute power... is a whole lot of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: Lol we can't have everything Balrog, Samurai Jack's my favorite show of all time but I ain't complaining that Colonel doesn't like Genndy Tarkovsky's art style. I'm happy enough he likes the 2003 series. I don’t dislike it, in fact I’d say it works very well for the story they’re telling, which is the most important thing. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 A weird thing I feel about the 2003 Clone Wars (and I've said this before) is how professional the clones sound. Granted they have zero character and the voice actor cannot hold a candle to the 2008 series in character; However, 2003 clones sound every bit the professional bred soldiers they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said: Come on. No one here ever gets upset about you folk joking about IKEA. Because the jokes are too lame to offend. I prefer Viking jokes when it comes to y’all Scandies. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: A weird thing I feel about the 2003 Clone Wars (and I've said this before) is how professional the clones sound. Granted they have zero character and the voice actor cannot hold a candle to the 2008 series in character; However, 2003 clones sound every bit the professional bred soldiers they are. Tbh that’s why the Arc Troopers are my favorite Clones by far. They were just so no nonsense and badass. They didn’t have any deep emotional arcs or anything like that, but they did their duty, and they did it so well that they became my favorite characters to watch after Grievous and Anakin. 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: A weird thing I feel about the 2003 Clone Wars (and I've said this before) is how professional the clones sound. Granted they have zero character and the voice actor cannot hold a candle to the 2008 series in character; However, 2003 clones sound every bit the professional bred soldiers they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: Tbh that’s why the Arc Troopers are my favorite Clones by far. They were just so no nonsense and badass. They didn’t have any deep emotional arcs or anything like that, but they did their duty, and they did it so well that they became my favorite characters to watch after Grievous and Anakin. It's like Command and Conquer before EA killed Westwood. Back in the day even the Brotherhood of Nod maintained a huge level of cohesion and profession. In Tiberian Sun, Nod light infantry responds to orders with a strict attitude, but in Tiberium Wars (made by EA) their 'soldiers' are cackling lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, TheCzarsHussar said: A weird thing I feel about the 2003 Clone Wars (and I've said this before) is how professional the clones sound. Granted they have zero character and the voice actor cannot hold a candle to the 2008 series in character; However, 2003 clones sound every bit the professional bred soldiers they are. If you think soldiers sound professional ever you are dead wrong. No soldier in the history or ever sounding like that at any point in history. 1 Fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Not to mention isn't Nod that anarchist death cult that's filled with fanatical zealots? Why would there rabble be professional compared to GDI's units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Centurion said: If you think soldiers sound professional ever you are dead wrong. No soldier in the history or ever sounding like that at any point in history. Yeaaaaaah but it's always appealing to see it portrayed. 4 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: Not to mention isn't Nod that anarchist death cult that's filled with fanatical zealots? Why would there rabble be professional compared to GDI's units? Once EA got their hands on it. Nod has always been the villain, but back then they were charismatic that appealed to everyone GDI was fucking over. Plus during Tiberian Dawn and Sun (the first two games) Nod fielded a professional army. Not rabble given firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Fuck Nod. Mammoth Tank rush FTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: Fuck Nod. Mammoth Tank rush FTW You better make damn sure your base is fully walled with concrete completely covering the inner parameter. Otherwise you're getting two subterranean APCs filled with engineers and a cyborg commando. GDI can pack more firepower but damn if OldNod wasn't fun. Edited May 12, 2020 by TheCzarsHussar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, Centurion said: If you think soldiers sound professional ever you are dead wrong. No soldier in the history or ever sounding like that at any point in history. That’s what made them so cool to me. The 2003 Clones weren’t portrayed as normal soldiers. They were these stoic, literally factory made-for-war future Jedi hunting sociopaths with no fear or drive besides to complete the mission. In a way, they were even scarier than the bad guys because we knew what they would eventually do. This ain’t a dig at the new ones, though. The Clone characters are some of my favorite additions of the 2008 series and Rex is the man. But to me, they became so humanized that they lost a little of the edge that made them so intimidating in 2003. Watching these clones makes me sad instead, because the thought of these guys uncontrollably murdering their friends is just tragic. 3 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: That’s what made them so cool to me. The 2003 Clones weren’t portrayed as normal soldiers. They were these stoic, literally factory made-for-war future Jedi hunting sociopaths with no fear or drive besides to complete the mission. In a way, they were even scarier than the bad guys because we knew what they would eventually do. This ain’t a dig at the new ones, mind you. The Clone characters are some of my favorite additions of the 2008 series and Rex in particular has an awesome storyline. But to me, they became so humanized that the lost a little of the edge that I loved them for in 2003. Watching them makes me sad instead. Couldn't have put it better myself, THIS is why back then the clones didn't need inhibitor chips. They were biologically programmed for it, it truly was a war between two armies of automatons. Just one were biological. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 hours ago, ColonelKillaBee said: You’re right, it’s an opinion it’s there to make up for the shit left out of the movies and now it all feels like a bandaid, some stuff from it is cool to me but overall it just feels desperate. Too much change to characters from the movies, too. It doesn’t feel authentic to me. There was a three years gap between Attack of the Clones and ROTS. Three years. Anakin was a far different character in Attack, then how he was in Revenge, in which he was far more mature and level headed. George Lucas felt like he needed to bridge the gap between those two Anakins and Anakin developed into him, which Clone Wars did. It isn't a "bandaid" it literally just showed how he matured and how he got to the point he did, in the THREE year gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: Couldn't have put it better myself, THIS is why back then the clones didn't need inhibitor chips. They were biologically programmed for it, it truly was a war between two armies of automatons. Just one were biological. Even in the old EU, Clone troopers were portrayed as being independent and personable (taking names, and developing there own personalities) The chip reason is way more logical even back then, then the dumb excuse that they were "just following orders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, BigBossBalrog said: Even in the old EU, Clone troopers were portrayed as being independent and personable (taking names, and developing there own personalities) The chip reason is way more logical even back then, then the dumb excuse that they were "just following orders" They weren't just following orders mindlessly, in fact there was several occasions where clones disobeyed the command. These aren't normal soldiers, hell they aren't even normal humans. The clones were biologically programmed (and I use this word very very lightly) super soldiers. The inhibitor chip was essential to keep the clones as likeable characters on the 2008 series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: They weren't just following orders mindlessly, in fact there was several occasions where clones disobeyed the command. These aren't normal soldiers, hell they aren't even normal humans. The clones were biologically programmed (and I use this word very very lightly) super soldiers. The inhibitor chip was essential to keep the clones as likeable characters on the 2008 series. It was like 99 percent of the Clone Army that followed the order with the 1 percent who didn't almost all Clone Commandos (who were trained to be independent units). It still makes zero sense that all this expressed individuality vanished under a single command for a vast majority of these independent people. It's more tragic that these people were turned into automatons forcibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: Even in the old EU, Clone troopers were portrayed as being independent and personable (taking names, and developing there own personalities) The chip reason is way more logical even back then, then the dumb excuse that they were "just following orders" It’s more than "just following orders". Back then the idea was that they were literally bred for this purpose. They could still have their own little quirks to give them personality, but at the end of the day they were still factory-bred killers who had no need for a chip because that primary drive was pretty much a biological instinct for them. 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: There was a three years gap between Attack of the Clones and ROTS. Three years. Anakin was a far different character in Attack, then how he was in Revenge, in which he was far more mature and level headed. George Lucas felt like he needed to bridge the gap between those two Anakins and Anakin developed into him, which Clone Wars did. It isn't a "bandaid" it literally just showed how he matured and how he got to the point he did, in the THREE year gap. Thats perfectly fine, I've already acknowledged before that the trilogy wasn't enough to characterize him in full. But when you add in certain things that are completely unmentioned in the last movie, regardless of logic, it feeels like as I said, a bandaid. The damage has already been done with the movies. Shoving in all this stuff to the point that it feels entirely separate from the movies, well obviously it works for some but not for me. For me, the movies are the main source of star wars. Tv shows and the like can deviate but if they deviate too much, it will always feel like something else almost entirely to me. Hell even Mandalorian barely feels real to me because it's too fucking good to exist in the same universe as the movies But that's in a good way. The second clone wars, FOR ME, lol, is the opposite. Too much filler, characters feel way too different from what I grew up with, etc etc. Thats why for me it feels like well intentioned filler/fan service/ fan fiction. 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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