ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Centurion said: Never said I was trying to cast aside what you’ve wrote and established. I made a joke about Baldur being from Cyrodiil and being influenced by elves. Wasn’t serious. To Baldur, Shor is the snake. To Ubbe Shor is the fox. Baldur is from Markarth lol, and even so he was raised in the Ysmir worshippping Bruma. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I don’t recall Shor being represented as a fox but I think the fact that we’ve been in charge of Skyrim and handling the Shor representation for the most part definitely gives me some authority on the matter here... You’ve been in charge of the Stormcloak faction but I’ve been writing Skyrim content from the beginning same as y’all. Nobody is disputing your depictions of Shor as a snake or trying to push them aside. Those existed before the RP and I’ve never had a problem with them. But I’ve never gone by them either, just let it be a belief of your and Celan’s characters. Most modern Nords don’t mess with as much symbolism as he does anyhow, so it’s not a big issue. 7 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I’d argue it does moreso than a fox, Both are generally trickster archetypes. But foxes tend to represent craftiness and guile whole tend to represent treachery and deceitfulness. I don’t think the Nords would shy away from using a snake totem, but I prefer it as an antagonistic figure in their pantheon just like he dragon. And personally think it fits better. I know you disagree. That’s fine. I like the interpretation of them using the snake because it’s scary to elves too. Just not as much. 6 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I don’t at all agree with this either. For one eso is in the 2nd era, Skyrim takes place later on and for all we know the fox could be an outdated representation of Shor that no longer is present in the well, present. Especially since the next games very unlikely to even touch on this, there’s nothing backing this idea. So you think the Nords randomly and universally went from snake to fox to snake again across three eras? That seems more than a little strange to me. But even if we roll with that, it still doesn’t dismiss that ESO establishes for certain that there was a period where the majority of Nords used the fox, which isn’t insignificant. Even if they don’t anymore, that much is set in stone unless we get a hard retcon like Cyrodiil as a jungle or some shit. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Baldur is from Markarth lol, and even so he was raised in the Ysmir worshippping Bruma. And it shows lol. Baldur walks the Ysmir walk, but he’s such a Dibellan and we all know it. 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Debating about a dead God's animal is such a Nord thing to do Reminds me of the whole Avitus thinks the manifestation leading him through his twilight valley is a butterfly, but in reality it's a moth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: You’ve been in charge of the Stormcloak faction but I’ve been writing Skyrim content from the beginning same as y’all. Nobody is disputing your depictions of Shor as a snake or trying to push them aside. Those existed before the RP and I’ve never had a problem with them. But I’ve never gone by them either, just let it be a belief of your and Celan’s characters. Most modern Nords don’t mess with as much symbolism as he does anyhow, so it’s not a big issue. Both are generally trickster archetypes. But foxes tend to represent craftiness and guile whole tend to represent treachery and deceitfulness. I don’t think the Nords would shy away from using a snake totem, but I prefer it as an antagonistic figure in their pantheon just like he dragon. And personally think it fits better. I know you disagree. That’s fine. I like the interpretation of them using the snake because it’s scary to elves too. Just not as much. So you think the Nords randomly and universally went from snake to fox to snake again across three eras? That seems more than a little strange to me. But even if we roll with that, it still doesn’t dismiss that ESO establishes for certain that there was a period where the majority of Nords used the fox, which isn’t insignificant. Even if they don’t anymore, that much is set in stone unless we get a hard retcon like Cyrodiil as a jungle or some shit. No offense but your character also left and went to Cyrodiil Since then my characters been starting a cultural renaissance and spreading his idea of the old ways so I cannot just restrict it to my characters alone and Celan’s. Im not saying every or even most Nords would suddenly think he’s a snake but I’m just saying I have a plan for Skyrim in the long run that you’re aware of and that will include a decent amount of Nords. Everyone’s still obviously free to do as they will but yea. And cultural shifts happen all the time, even back and forth as you said. They don’t know for sure what the ancient Nords saw the gods as so it’s not that strange, especially with scholarly disagreements. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 And yea we already established we disagree so I won’t touch up on that even more. Like I said so long as we’re just joking and not gonna put aside the snake representation in favor of the spinoff game, I don’t really care. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: And it shows lol. Baldur walks the Ysmir walk, but he’s such a Dibellan and we all know it. fair enough lol "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: No offense but your character also left and went to Cyrodiil Since then my characters been starting a cultural renaissance and spreading his idea of the old ways so I cannot just restrict it to my characters alone and Celan’s. Im not saying every or even most Nords would suddenly think he’s a snake but I’m just saying I have a plan for Skyrim in the long run that you’re aware of and that will include a decent amount of Nords. Everyone’s still obviously free to do as they will but yea. And cultural shifts happen all the time, even back and forth as you said. They don’t know for sure what the ancient Nords saw the gods as so it’s not that strange, especially with scholarly disagreements. Please don't turn this into a dick measuring contest (and this is me whose saying it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: Please don't turn this into a dick measuring contest (and this is me whose saying it...) What the fuck are you talking about? 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, ColonelKillaBee said: What the fuck are you talking about? You're like "Well my character did this and this,its so much cooler then this!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BigBossBalrog said: You're like "Well my character did this and this,its so much cooler then this!" Dude I love you, but please shut the hell up. 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BigBossBalrog said: You're like "Well my character did this and this,its so much cooler then this!" That’s not what this is at all... But for the record, my character did do this and it was much cooler than that. 3 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) I didn’t say anything like that. All I was saying is that it’s been a while since Doc has written for Skyrim, it’s almost been years. And I’ve been writing for Skyrim that whole time, meaning that I have been shaping and planning a lot. It’s not about dick measuring, not sure how you even got that, it’s just a simple fact. In fact for a long time, I was the only one writing in Skyrim. Edited October 12, 2018 by ColonelKillaBee "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Driving, let me edit that real quick. Siri failing me "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: No offense but your character also left and went to Cyrodiil Only after two and a half chapters, and even then they came back and I immediately started contributing to Skyrim again beyond just my characters. That all counts for something. And it’s not like I didn’t help at all while I was gone. I was going over the Nordic renaissance ideas with you, including ideas and visions of my own, long before Boldir came back. But that’s beside the point. I have no problems with your plans going forward, because like you said, we’ve talked about them together plenty and I’m a fan. If Baldur has the whole of Skyrim seeing Shor as a snake by the end of the decade, I’m cool with that too. I just do not want to dismiss the fact that the fox symbolism exists as well, even if Baldur’s actions lead to it going by the wayside culturally. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I’m not saying it does not count, and I obviously appreciate your contributions. And just as it should be recognized that you did contribute, it should also be recognized that I was indeed the primary writer for Skyrim for most of this RP. In my opinion. And that should count for something as well. It wasn’t to say that you have no say, obviously that’s not true. And I’m fine with the fox thing existing in some form "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, ColonelKillaBee said: And that should count for something as well. Which it clearly does. You’re at the helm of this thing, bud. No one’s denying that. If I was gonna refute the snake, I’d have started years ago. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Ok Really if I’m being honest I just got salty about that elf comment lol. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Ok Really if I’m being honest I just got salty about that elf comment lol. Figured that lol just a little jab, you know nothing serious. Fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Centurion said: Figured that lol just a little jab, you know nothing serious. I did get that, but I was also kind of salty about that whole Fox thing for a long time. Especially the way MK and Lady N handled it. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I love MK’s writing and all but those two tend to fold like a new chair. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: I love MK’s writing and all but those two tend to fold like a new chair. It’s because they are clinging to relavence in the universe that is quickly blasting past them. 1 Fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Druids: "You should really worship our ancestral panthe-" "SHOR A SNAKE OR FOX?!" Druids: ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Centurion said: It’s because they are clinging to relavence in the universe that is quickly blasting past them. And that we're agreed on. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheCzarsHussar said: Druids: "You should really worship our ancestral panthe-" "SHOR A SNAKE OR FOX?!" Druids: ._. That should be Kyne's Watch's version of "Greymane or Battleborn". 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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