The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, ColonelKillaBee said: And the dragonborn’s return was a part of the prophesy so he could’ve said this just before he actually met the Dragonborn. He could’ve heard of him/her too from your actions in Whiterun. The reason I think it is after is because before we meet him, Esbern has completely given up hope and doesn’t even believe the Last Dragonborn is coming. In the trailer he jas a very hopeful tone when speaking of the one they fear. And sure, he could’ve been talking to people in general, but if that was a real conversation or letter, and not just him rambling, then I imagine it would’ve had to be towards someone important, even if the message itself is referring to everyone. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: The reason I think it is after is because before we meet him, Esbern has completely given up hope and doesn’t even believe the Last Dragonborn is coming. In the trailer he jas a very hopeful tone when speaking of the one they fear. And sure, he could’ve been talking to people in general, but if that was a real conversation or letter, and not just him rambling, then I imagine it would’ve had to be towards someone important, even if the message itself is referring to everyone. Im thinking that Bethesda just wanted to make the trailer epic honestly. I doubt they coincide personally. But sure that interpretation fits. Though who knows when or what caused him to lose hope. Perhaps we spent too much time adventuring while he wasted away in hiding lol I do doubt that he’d have heard of the Dragonborn though and lose hope like that by the time we see him honestly. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 As for who he was addressing, that’s why I don’t think it matters really, could literally be to anyone And was obviously meant that way to get the point across. You know Bethesda doesn’t think this stuff out like we do lol. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Im thinking that Bethesda just wanted to make the trailer epic honestly. I doubt they coincide personally. But sure that interpretation fits. Though who knows when or what caused him to lose hope. Perhaps we spent too much time adventuring while he wasted away in hiding lol I do doubt that he’d have heard of the Dragonborn though and lose hope like that by the time we see him honestly. That’s why I asked. I was curious if y’all thought it was real or just quality trailer porn. I think he lost hope a long time ago. He obviously spent much of his life studying the prophesy, so he would’ve recignized that it was nearly fulfilled, and probably even tried to warn people and make preparations (“no one wanted to believe”), but then the Thalmor all but wiped out the Blades, any preparations he’d made were likely undone. So when this happened and civil war broke out in Skyrim, he knew shit was about to go down and was probably freaking out because there was no dragonborn that he knew of. He doesn’t know we exist before we meet him. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 If I saw everything else come to pass I’d hold hope that a Dragonborn would arise eventually. But after everything that happened with him, I get it. ”They’re already here,” suggests though that he was hopeful at least sometime after the dragons returned as far as when he lost hope. Assuming we’re still going by the trailer and assuming it’s not just quality trailer porn lol. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: If I saw everything else come to pass I’d hold hope that a Dragonborn would arise eventually. But after everything that happened with him, I get it. ”They’re already here,” suggests though that he was hopeful at least sometime after the dragons returned as far as when he lost hope The purpose of the Blades in the 3rd era was to guard the Septims so that there would always be a living dragonborn. Maybe since they failed at that, it was uncertain if they’d ever get another one (in which case, they fucked up big time). All the Blades had to go on was hope that another would appear, whereas for hundreds of years their entire purpose had been ensuring that the Septims survived so they wouldn’t need to rely on hope. “They’re already here” combined with the end where he talks about Dovahkiin is why I think he said or wrote this stuff after meeting the Last Dragonborn and hope returned. Since he wouldn’t have spoken to anyone between Alduin’s return and the Dovahkiin’s arrival at his door on account of him being deep in hiding. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 If that’s the case then he didn’t have much faith in the very prophesy he studied so much and waited to come to pass, which regardless of all that I find odd. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Assuming we’re still going by the trailer and assuming it’s not just quality trailer porn lol. It probably is. I’m just bored at work, got TES on the brain, and overanalyzing shit is fun. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Could’ve been talking to the loonies he was hiding with lol, they just might believe him And When Even they said he was nuts, he was like, “Sigh... maybe you’re right. Fuck it. Should’ve banged Delphine when I had the chance.” 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, ColonelKillaBee said: If that’s the case then he didn’t have much faith in the very prophesy he studied so much and waited to come to pass, which regardless of all that I find odd. Well prophesies in TES are extremely fluid. They can be subverted or undone or changed very easily. That’s even the plot of Dawnguard, to stop the events of an elder scroll from coming true. So when the dragonborn trait seemed hereditary and when everyone left who had it died unnaturally, the Blades who studied dragons probably got pretty damned nervous. They couldn’t know for certain if they’d just lost the dragonborns with Martin and the prophesy had been ruined, or if another would come eventually. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 And then civil war breaking out, the last of the signs being fulfilled, and still no new line of dragonborns, Esbern probably got even more terrified. He knew Alduin was coming and there was no sign of their savior existing. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 It’s not quite like the Nerevarine prophesy where the Blades were able to get the Emperor to basically ship over boatloads or prisoners in the hopes that one of them would turn out to be a Hero. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: Well prophesies in TES are extremely fluid. They can be subverted or undone or changed very easily. That’s even the plot of Dawnguard, to stop the events of an elder scroll from coming true. So when the dragonborn trait seemed hereditary and when everyone left who had it died unnaturally, the Blades who studied dragons probably got pretty damned nervous. They couldn’t know for certain if they’d just lost the dragonborns with Martin and the prophesy had been ruined, or if another would come eventually. Nah that still doesn’t check out because the way it’s written makes it sound like one would be gifted by the gods. And if his line continued, why would he be the last Dragonborn? Plus scholars are aware that Dragonborn aren’t all related and it’s not always a matter of heredity so Martin dying wouldn’t necessarily make them think the last Dragonborn wouldn’t come. I feel like someone like Esbern would be well aware of that. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchking of Angmar Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 With monarchs habit of having multiple children and not to mention bastards, shouldn’t there be loads of dragonborns running around? Mathematically speaking their number would grow exponentially with each generation. 1 Power corrupts, absolute power... is a whole lot of fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Could’ve been talking to the loonies he was hiding with lol, they just might believe him “And when the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!” ”Whoa man, the walls look like they’re moving now! I can see dragons, man!” “BUT there is one they fear! In their tongue he is Dovahkiin. DRAGONBORN!” ”Oh shit, dragonborn!” *Smokes skooma pipe* “How about another hit, old timer?” “Give it here.” 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 You know, I did think at one point that he could’ve been talking at the peace summit in high hrothgar in season unending. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: “And when the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!” ”Whoa man, the walls look like they’re moving now! I can see dragons, man!” “BUT there is one they fear! In their tongue he is Dovahkiin. DRAGONBORN!” ”Oh shit, dragonborn!” *Smokes skooma pipe* “How about another hit, old timer?” “Give it here.” "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Witchking of Angmar said: With monarchs habit of having multiple children and not to mention bastards, shouldn’t there be loads of dragonborns running around? Mathematically speaking their number would grow exponentially with each generation. There were more, but the Mythic Dawn went about assassinating most of them just before Oblivion started. That’s why we resort to Uriel’s secret bastard son. Plus, there’s a good chance that more of the distant ones we never hear about died from Jagar Tharn’s scheme and the shit tons of wars that occurred in the few decades before Morrowind. 1 * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Witchking of Angmar said: With monarchs habit of having multiple children and not to mention bastards, shouldn’t there be loads of dragonborns running around? Mathematically speaking their number would grow exponentially with each generation. Another reason why I always thought that was BS. The tie has to be to the amulet for Cyrodiil. It’s literally containing the blood of Akatosh and precious Emperors souls. It’s an ayleid soul gem. I think the amulet bestows the gift to those that “know” they are Dragonborn. That’s why it was so important that one, Martin said afterwards that he knew somehow that he knew the amulet would let him wear it, and two, that Mankar Comoran clearly believes he made himself Dragonborn with Mehrunes Razor. edit: previous, was supposed to be previous Emperors souls lol "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: There were more, but the Mythic Dawn went about assassinating most of them just before Oblivion started. That’s why we resort to Uriel’s secret bastard son. Plus, there’s a good chance that more of the distant ones we never hear about died from Jagar Tharn’s scheme and the shit tons of wars that occurred in the few decades before Morrowind. Even still, if it were truly hereditary at all I feel like unless Mehrunes knew because Daedra Lord that they were Dragonborn and knew their names and who to kill that there’d still be some that slip through the cracks. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Nah that still doesn’t check out because the way it’s written makes it sound like one would be gifted by the gods. And if his line continued, why would he be the last Dragonborn? Plus scholars are aware that Dragonborn aren’t all related and it’s not always a matter of heredity so Martin dying wouldn’t necessarily make them think the last Dragonborn wouldn’t come. I feel like someone like Esbern would be well aware of that. It doesn’t exactly. It just says that the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn. It could’ve just as easily meant he is the final member of a hereditary bloodline as it could’ve meant that a new Dragonborn would randomly appear. Almost all dragonborns in Imperial history have been related, though (I’m not sure if they’d know about or recognize the ancient Nordic ones). Even the ones that weren’t have been debated over. Like it being said that Reman is the result of his father fucking a mound of dirt that contained Alessia’s soul, and Tiber Septim’s parents being unknown and therefore it being possible that he is descended from them. We know better, but from the Imperial/Blades’ perspective, it does look like the gift tends to pass through blood. They wouldn’t have been so concerned with keeping the Septims safe if they knew another would appear in time to save everyone anyway. That’s kinda how prophesies often work. You have to be a little proactive and make them work. Arctus said “without the Hero, there is no event”. I think the Blades were trying to ensure that there was always a potential Hero at the ready, since this one needed to be Dragonborn. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, ColonelKillaBee said: Even still, if it were truly hereditary at all I feel like unless Mehrunes knew because Daedra Lord that they were Dragonborn and knew their names and who to kill that there’d still be some that slip through the cracks. There were. Namely, Martin. But even if some bastards and third cousins in High Rock or Skyrim had dragonblood, it would’ve been pretty much meaningless in the 3rd era without the Amulet of Kings. But even if Martin was the only one, or if there were others but the Mythic Dawn and various wars claimed the others’ lives, all that really matters for the sake of what Esbern knows is that the Blades believed it was hereditary, and that the last one that they knew of was Martin. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 They were debated over, but it states that the scholars knew better. I’m sure they can smell imperial propaganda when they see it. And sure they would have reason to want to protect them, it’s their sacred duty, their whole purpose of being, even without that prophesy. A prophesy which to me wouldn’t make as much sense if it was just the last hereditary line of Dragonborn since you can simply continue a line through offspring. But would make sense to those that know a Dragonborn ain’t always picked that way. Course they could’ve also just thought the dB would be assassinsted or something. And it wouldn’t be meaningless for the purpose of the prophesy or to the blades as far as there being relatives in High Rock or wherever. Anyway, it’s not that important why he was in despair but I don’t think he’d be trying to warn people and say “you should’ve acted” and all that if he thought they were doomed from the get go since Martin is dead. At that point why bother, you’re already fucked. What else is there to do? Someone like Esbern I’m sure would be aware of the possibility of other Dragonborn. The prophesy stating there’d be one in this point in time would at least open him to that possibility. He may have been searching for one while the Thalmor were after him as he was studying dragon lore. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 In fact, now that I think about it, why would the blades go on to exist after Martin’s death? If you remember, Delphene actually states that they were looking for a Dragon born. That has to be the reason why they kept going after that point. After they failed. Otherwise, why not just be re-absorbed into the Legion. So they knew that there was at least a possibility of dragonborn existing even with Martins death. Some did at least. "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I also feel like if they really believe that the Dragon born were all related, that Delphene would’ve been like oh shit, you are Dragon born! But how the fuck is that possible? "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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