Celan Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: The Plagues are a bigger issue I feel. Didn't the Justinian Plague cripple the Empire when it was going through a very impressive reconquest phase? They could have saved the Empire if it wasn't for that. Not a chance. Belisarius won a few battles, but had to deal with Persian incursions and civil unrest such that his "conquests" collapsed almost as fast as he'd made them. Cyrodiil has suffered a series of lost wars and lost most of its tax base. Its geography is nowhere near as secure as Constantinople's was- which also was sacked, again. This reminds me- wasn't Blackwood already ransacked by Lorgar? Lol, Naffy better not be counting his treasure. 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: All of this applies to the Cyrodiilic Empire throughout the 4th Era. The biggest difference between it and the Romans is that the Romans never had a strong Titus Mede figure to come in and temporarily restore something resembling order. But Skyrim makes it clear that even what he accomplished was tenuous with cities falling to what are basically “barbarians” left and right even without the Thalmor’s involvement. Dales and Krojun may have brought Cyrodiil together and helped prevent it from collapsing, but without them, it would’ve been finished. Also, the Septim being the most used currency literally means nothing. It’s pure gold. The value comes from the metal, not the dragon stamp on it. You could say that the Gothic emperors were like Mede. Basically pretenders wearing imperial regalia who held things together for a few more years after the base had mostly collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, The Good Doctor said: All of this applies to the Cyrodiilic Empire throughout the 4th Era. The biggest difference between it and the Romans is that the Romans never had a strong Titus Mede figure to come in and temporarily restore something resembling order. But Skyrim makes it clear that even what he accomplished was tenuous with cities falling to what are basically “barbarians” left and right even without the Thalmor’s involvement. Dales and Krojun may have brought Cyrodiil together and helped prevent it from collapsing, but without them, it would’ve been finished. Also, the Septim being the most used currency literally means nothing. It’s pure gold. The value comes from the metal, not the dragon stamp on it. It's still currency, standardised. When the Western Roman Empire fell, basically bartering become the norm because of inflammation on the Roman mint. The Civil War was an internal conflict. Nords rose within the province. But the Barbarians invasion for the Roman Empire was some douche bags for outside of Rome (mostly Germaia) going like, "All right guys, we coming over and taking this slice of Roman land for us and our people". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celan Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Rome had been assimilating Germanic/ Gothic peoples for years. They were "internal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Just now, Celan said: You could say that the Gothic emperors were like Mede. Basically pretenders wearing imperial regalia who held things together for a few more years after the base had mostly collapsed. I actually thought about that and edited my post to mention that nobody did it to the same degree as Mede. His dynasty lasted fairly long considering how much he had going against him. It's always nice when your writing gets reinforced by the canon after you come up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Celan said: This reminds me- wasn't Blackwood already ransacked by Lorgar? Lol, Naffy better not be counting his treasure. Lorgar took all the taxes and money he could collect to fuel his private army, so yes Dales was promising him more of a somewhat large piece of land that's sustainable, and somewhere he could store the treasure he takes from the war, and is paid by the Dales personnel family fortune. She also thought ruling over a village would go well with his ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelKillaBee Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 Does that matter though? Civil war is still war. Hell, that makes things worse. Because not only do they have an internal struggle that they lost in what is called "The Strong Arm" of the Empire, even if it might be a bit of an exaggerated statement to toot the Nord's horn ( though it still shows their value) they also have the external struggle with the Thalmor, and a possible extra layer of instability with this council stuff. And while that's going on, their Empress has left to go to Skyrim to attend a moot and support their king as the leader of a human alliance, a leader that fought against this very empire and killed his own legion serving father in fact to oppose them. Even if Dales herself benefits from that conflict and they've been liberated from the Thalmor due in part to that conflict, for Cyrodiil herself, it looks very bad. Symbolically and in actuality they're losing their influence in tamriel, a lot of it flowing Northwards. Trade in turn would also while not dwindling to nothing, be flowing elsewhere as well. North, west... South.... All of that should be apparent. Naf will definitely nptice the difference of the city from now compared to in its glory days. 1 "Even the hardest dick must go flaccid." -Colonelkillabee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: The Civil War was an internal conflict. Nords rose within the province. But the Barbarians invasion for the Roman Empire was some douche bags for outside of Rome (mostly Germaia) going like, "All right guys, we coming over and taking this slice of Roman land for us and our people". I wasn't referring to the Skyrim Civil War. I was referring to the state of Cyrodiil in the last few decades, which has been terrible based on Cicero's diaries. They've been unable to defend their own cities, and the internal strife has risen to a point where members of the Elder Council conspire to kill the Emperor. 11 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: It's still currency, standardised. When the Western Roman Empire fell, basically bartering become the norm because of inflammation on the Roman mint. The Roman coins overall suffered from inflation because they were being debased with bronze and iron and too many of these were entering circulation. In earlier years, they had a much higher precious metal content than they did by the time things started to fall apart. Older Roman coins largely remained valuable all throughout history, because gold and silver are gold and silver regardless of who shaped them. It's always nice when your writing gets reinforced by the canon after you come up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celan Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: Lorgar took all the taxes and money he could collect to fuel his private army, so yes Dales was promising him more of a somewhat large piece of land that's sustainable, and somewhere he could store the treasure he takes from the war, and is paid by the Dales personnel family fortune. She also thought ruling over a village would go well with his ego. What did those people do to deserve being Dales' personal punching bag? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Celan said: What did those people do to deserve being Dale's personal punching bag? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 It's always nice when your writing gets reinforced by the canon after you come up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Humour aside, well...she's already agreed to feed him criminals. Proven rapists and murderers but still. That's pretty messed up. I guess having the medieval equivalent of a WMD is super important to the war effort, she willingly to let a douchey dragon rule over a tiny part of her realm. The Alliance needs a reliable way to counter the Dominion air support, Dales is just taking the hit. It dosen't help all the prestige and power having a dragon Sellsword gives to her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Good Doctor Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, BigBossBalrog said: It dosen't help all the prestige and power having a dragon Sellsword gives to her As if the Atmoriant won't overshadow him in every way. 1 It's always nice when your writing gets reinforced by the canon after you come up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossBalrog Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: As if the Atmoriant won't overshadow him in every way. As cool as he, I dont think anyone but the Nords know what a fucking Atmoriant is Dales will be known for her exotic retainers. A crazy fucking Werewolf, a douchey Dragon Merc, and a half giant warrior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCzarsHussar Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Good Doctor said: As if the Atmoriant won't overshadow him in every way. "Im going to make that dragon my Totem-Bitch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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